Date: 31st May 2010
I spent the weekend cheering/coaching my wife, Kim Csizmazia, and all the other athltes at the Canada Crossfit Regional Games, which are a sort of athletic torture festival. Athletes at the Regionals have already qualified through a “Sectional,” and a top six result at the regionals will send them to the Games finals in California. The competition is fierce, the events nasty, and the effort level high.
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Good thoughts, Will! I agree about the calves
Thanks for the insight. I was curious about the run since they didn't post the times on the web. My experience with CF shows that they are weak runners. A guy I know finished top 10, I'm a stronger runner than he is, and I wouldn't call myself anything beyond an amateur. Last year's Canada East qualifier had a trail run that brought forth many complaints from the "fittest" athletes in the region who had never run 5k.
Congrats to Kim on her oustanding performance! Was looking forward to your report on her performance as a former Chicks with Picks guide! Now we are going to brag about her For what it's worth I can't get those darn double unders either!
Great post want read something entertaining read the flame war going on at my at the CF gym I train site over the DU in the comp…
http://www.crossfit.ca/index.php/Mainpage/index-single/slightly_more_emotional_canadian_regionals_review/
I had no idea people take this shit so seriously.
Good work Kim. Will we always look forword to your stories. All the best Lee and Dave .(The rivergums.)
Good work Kim. Will we always look forword to your stories. All the best Lee and Dave .(The rivergums.)
Hey Will,
This comment's off topic considering the subject of your post but I'll ask anyway…
Can we expect some commentary on the David Lama/Red Bull/Cerro Torre debacle? I think you should weigh in given your relationship to Red Bolt…
Hi Anon, funny you just posted that, comment up.
I didn't attend the Regionals (spectator or otherwise) but have been doing CF workouts and agree that historically CF doesn't emphasize running or LSD endurance WODs as much as they should – so its not surprising that this would be a weakness. Granted, over the past year I have noticed more and more pure endurance WODs (running, rowing, etc) mixed in to their program. Perhaps they are aware of the weakness?!?
As for the competitors times at the Regionals, I'm wondering when the run event was placed relative to the other WODs? …certainly doing a run immediately after another heavy cardio (or lower body) intensive WOD would result in slower run times, especially compared to someone who wasn't participating.
Enjoyed your take! I too, am impatiently waiting for my shot in the Masters division . . . I've got 21 years to train for that one though.
Scott, people take CF WAY seriously, it's good fun.
Go Rivergums!!
Anton, the run was the first even on Friday afternoon. That day I'd already done a workout that included "heavy" squats that day, I was pretty worked. The man who won the run was a good athlete, I'd bet he had a solid sports background of some kind.
I think the women were, on average, better runners than the men. This showed in the last workout of the weekend too, the women were certainly running with better form and more athleticism.
Let's see, if you have 21 years and I have 7 to go to the masters there's a chance we could compete against each other, how cool would that be! Yeah, I'm optimistic but why not?
It's established then – My wife and I will see you folks in 21 years.
Inspiring to hear about Kim's performance considering the obstacles and relatively late intro to CrossFit.
My wife and I discovered CF shortly after our fourth arrived 2.5 years ago, and it's taken our fitness considerably farther than pre-kids era, with less time commitment.
After years of chronic cardio and vegetarianism, it exposed some pretty serious weaknesses in the strength & power areas, and we are so thankful to be able to correct that now!
Mr. Gadd sounds like an almost great event. Your blog about the lack of serious running got me thinking though. Maybe you sign up for this race in the future?
http://www.youmaydie.com/
I think it might offer a pleasant change from the Crossfit style.
-KL
Hey Will, it was nice meeting you at the Regionals the other weekend (had Cora's with you, Kim and Greg). I was just wondering if you know the approximate finishing times for the top guys. Just trying to see where I would have stood in the competition.
Will,
Been following Kim and Cultfit Coyote Way through Sarah H. Super stoked for those gals….its provided a lot of motivation for me on this end.
So Im curious about your thoughts on lower leg strength, ie the calves. Aside from running and sports playing, any good ideas for how to train this area?
Thanks for blogging, always awesome to know high performing athletes thoughts on things.
Cheers,
Sarah G.
Just came across your post…interesting! Want to comment on the run being too "dangerous" as you put it. At least two of the ascents were not climbable. They were far too steep and wet. Runners would have gone one step forward, two steps back (while on all fours). It would have caused some nasty bottle-necks. Likewise a couple of the descents were also axed out of the race as they certainly would have led to falls or runners sliding down on their butts. Yes, CF'ers are tough and could have done it, but not in a timely manner and we're not interested in seeing athletes injured due to course conditions in the first event, which is why the race was changed.
Not sure how you ran the "dangerous" portions as they were not marked, therefore no one could have known the original course. Finally, the times wern't posted because the exact race distance wasn't known due to the the last minute hill changes. The run was appox. 5 km. I enjoyed your post. TY.
Hi Ty, not to be overly sarcastic, but I don't think there was one piece of muddy terrain in the entire race area that would have stopped a proficient 70-year old hiker much less a half-decent trail runner. Trail running skill levels were just low in general, and given that I can see your point that for that crowd it could have been dangerous. So would doing 50lb snatches if someone hadn't ever done those, same idea.
Not posting times because the distance "wasn't known" seems odd to me. The times are important to compare relative effort, not the pace per K or whatever. But, if distance were important, it would have been an easy thing to Google Earth the course and come up with a reasonably accurate distance in a few minutes. Heck, just GPS the course with any iPhone ap and you'll get something close enough.
Course layout: I'm reasonably sure I ran the "cut" part of the course because I had the map. As you know, the organizers handed out color course maps at registration. The course everybody ran on the west side of Crystal Ridge followed the color map reasonably closely (I tracked it on my phone, minor deviations but close enough). I just did the same on the other side of Crystal Ridge too, I didn't need markers with a map. But again, in that whole area there wasn't any "dangerous" terrain, just some muddy hillsides. If I had to guess I'd say the portion that the organizers thought too dangerous was the bit where you come off the pavement and headed south and down to the little muddy creek…
It's all perspective really, and it was a fun weekend. If you're part of the organization then thanks!
Not to be overly sarcastic right back at ya, but that 70 year old would have to be in helluva good shape to climb one section in particular, because I watched males and females on all fours sliding backwards at the section I was posted at. In fact runners were taking out other runners. If they had not omitted the other climbs it would have been more of the same.
I agree that distance and times should probably have been posted, but as the course was changed last minute and the fact that time didn't really matter, just placing, it was unnecessary. Let's be honest, an athlete having a PB in a 6.7 km (or 5 km) x-country run, over unknown terrain isn't something any of the athletes was looking for. Times were irrevelant.
Finally, oops, as a lowly marshall who only pointed the correct direction up a hill, I didn't know course maps were handed out…I recind my comment. It seems odd a map was available when Crossfit is about the unknown and unknownable? TY.
Hi Ty,
Thanks for doing the course marshal job, it was a rough day to be out there! You should have gotten a map, sheesh.
Times are relevant to compare performances in the same way that it's nice to know what the weights were in the snatch complex so you can compare yourself to others in the same event. It's not about running PRs on a set distance or whatever, agreed, just comparison to the other athletes. Times are like weights: If DJ did the Snatch complex with 220 and John did it with 145 but would have placed second with 155 then that's useful info… Just posting places would miss the point. Same with run times. They don't just publish ski race places at races, they publish times even without any distance info at all, it really is important information for the athletes.
I have pictures of the toughest portion of the course, I watched most of the men and women go through it too. Don't make me post the pictures, the trail runners will laugh, as will many of the 70-year old hikers I know. Seriously.
Thanks again for volunteering!
WG
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